Stroopwafels for Everyone!

Jim Ray: Look out. Alex, hello. We’ve got some special guests right here on the screen. It’s great to be here. We’re gonna, as promised, we’re gonna skip our usual banter. It’s great to see who you and I just got to exist in person, in reality. next to each other. So but we’re here. We’re joined by some really special guests. I’m going to introduce everybody real quick. We’ve got Guido Jansen, we’ve got Boris Mann, and we’ve got Ms. Boba and they are here from the Atmosphere Conf team. Super excited to have them. I’m just looking at the stream here, and I’m seeing a lot of other folks that are pretty excited about it as well I think we’ve got some big news.

Let’s get right into it. We did have a question that I think is very appropriate for leading into this. And we don’t, I’m going to let you answer this one. But the question is. Comes from crowd favorite Amelia. Where, when, and can I go dressed as a princess? Now before you answer, I will speak to that last one, which is to say we don’t have any kind of a dress code. for the conference. We as far as I know, we never have. If you feel compelled to come dress as a privates, I am personally going to insist on that. And maybe you can integrate some kind of fun remote technology sensing thing into your TR or something like that.

Or other fantastical type people. But Guido Jansen, why don’t you why don’t you maybe answer some of the questions that people are so excited to hear.

Guido Jansen: So first off, thanks for having us and letting us announce this live on stream. I was kind of looking forward to the banter live. So we ‘ll have we’ll have to do that another time then. Maybe live events in the future. Yeah. So I mean on the on the prince are there any events you cannot go in a princess dress? I mean that’s just fine everywhere, right? I mean if it’s R the princess dress should be fine.

Jim Ray: I would hope.

Guido Jansen: Special okay, yeah. Point taken. Point taken. Yeah, so for the location. This is where the drum roll comes in. Location, I mean if you look at Bohr’s background, it might give you a hint of the style of buildings that are around there, but it’s gonna be Amsterdam. Yeah, it’s I can I can basically cycle through the event to the event venue from here. So that’s very convenient. Not the main reason we chose it or why I’m why I got involved in this, but it’s a very convenient place for sure and for everyone else as well. I mean Amsterdam is a great place to host events. It’s very easy. It’s a great it’s a great hub to host events in.

Schiphol, our major airport in the Netherlands, is very close by so it’s very easy to commute to trains from across Europe and Amsterdam itself is very walkable and bikeable. So I hope that at least answers question one. Slight detail, so the venue, that’s something we’re gonna announce at a at a later point. So we’re gonna keep that a little secret right now, but at least you know where it is and I mean Amsterdam is not a big city so it’s very confined where the event venue is gonna potentially is gonna be for the dates we announced the end of April beginning of May right that we t we took that quite literally. So it’s going to be a four-day event from April 29th to May 2nd.

And that’s four days and that includes all the side events. Put it in your calendar, people.

Jim Ray: I’m so glad you mentioned the calendar. I just dropped into the chat here and the atmo. rsvp link. So folks can already you can you can click that button that you’re planning on going, that you’re interested in going, and let everybody know that you’re gonna join us in beautiful Amsterdam, one of my personal all-time favorite cities. So I am just personally gratified that this is where it ended up being. I do have some complaints about Schiphol airport, so we’ll leave those for another.

Alex Garnett: No stop low-hanging fruit.

Jim Ray: Let’s back up for just a second here. So folks who don’t know you, can you just kind of introduce yourself and how you got involved with helping to plan out this part despite the, you know I think the most obvious one is that it sounds like you’re located a mere bike ride away. Folks in the chat here are super excited about the mini transit options. Some of I think our North American colleagues are wondering what a train is, but so Guido, can you introduce yourself to the chat here?

Guido Jansen: Yeah, sure. I got involved with Atmosphere when I registered for Bluesky two years ago, and then it took about a year before I realized hey, this is whole cool protocol underneath this whole thing also started building on it i’ve been in community building and events organizing for over 10 15 maybe even already 20 years in open source communities mainly got really enth enthusiastic building on atproto last since yeah, I think Q4 last year. When I found out that there was a conference in Vancouver, I signed up right away and said this is the place I need to go love the conference. Did a great job organizing and also the attendees were amazing. The vibe was great.

Love being part of that so I s I sneaked next to Boris and said hey Boris if you need help next year send me a note please I’m familiar with the field and I’m familiar with things in the open or organizing conferences and I love to contribute there yeah, and at some point this summer Borges contacted me. So I don’t know why he picked me beyond that. So maybe Boris.

Boris Mann: can.

Guido Jansen: And talk to that?

Boris Mann: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so there’s so many great people in the atmosphere. And then you get to like know them so much better in person. Lots of people came through in Vancouver which was a roughly two week long event for me as people came early, hung out at Etsy space, a co-working space, and you know the conference was over and then the same people just showed up in my co-working space for and it continued. Guido was one of those and so you know got to chat with him and he’s like, Oh yeah, I’ve you know I’ve done some stuff with organizing in the Magento community. And then it comes out that you know, he’s been organizing in the Magento open source community for 20 plus years and done conference events like 600 people plus.

And so it was great to just file away and as we started bringing things together, be like, hey Guido, what you doing? Got some time. It really is a coincidence that it’s in Amsterdam and Guido’s in Amsterdam. He was involved before we settled on it. So someone who’s not on this call and then we’ll do a dedicated live stream, I guess we’ll start live streaming. We have Ms. Boba in her VTuber outfit, so probably for a goose reveal. So they’re on event operations team. They also do open source video documentaries. Most recently they did local first conference and they’re based in Berlin. And they got started early with venue research and helped do all that work.

And then it just sort of came together that it ended up being that we had a short list in Amsterdam. Guido came on board and it all kind of nicely came together. And stroopwafels for everyone.

Guido Jansen: Stroopwafels and we have poffertjes and we have bitterballen and for the brave people around we also have herring so.

Boris Mann: so basically e everything other than the herring will be brown and fried, possibly with a sauce.

Guido Jansen: The herring can be fried and browned with sauce as well, so don’t worry.

Boris Mann: Good, good, good, yeah. Let’s pass it over to Ms. Boba. Lots more things to share. We’ll leak it out slowly, but Ms. Boba. Can you talk about your thoughts, wishes, and prayers about webmistressing once again, and what sort of shenanigans you have in mind for the website?

Ms. Boba: What sort of shenanigans don’t I have in mind for a website? No, we’re gonna make it awesome. I hope people have I know people have enjoyed the goose that I keep calling a duck. I apologize to all gays out there. Last year people were really enthusiastic about the website, which made me really happy and it kind of came together all. very, you know, this conference gotta happen and so website also gotta happen. This year we have time to plot. Which means like she says menaciously. So well we really we’ve been talking about it and what we really want to do with the website is showcase what Art proto can do. And so you know, with everyone coming together for the conference, we also want the apps and the whole atmosphere to come together on the website.

And so if you know it’s like throw integration at us and at our code base because that’s really like okay, I don’t want to say integration, it’s what usproto is all about, but I am very integration and plug-in pill this person. So it is a lot of what it is for me, the ability to bring the larger internet and what you do on every website on in a single place, wherever you want, with you, wherever you are. And so that’s really what I think this website should be all about and I’ll would love everyone’s help speaking of coming together and making it so.

Boris Mann: Yeah, shout out to Lou who’s already part of the website crew, Mark Boas who did our transcript. is a contributor. Puriette just volunteered yesterday, so we’ll be developing out in the out in the open. We’ll have a few private things that we kind of leak out and there’s already a massive amount of contributed themes so thank you to everyone who did that.

Jim Ray: And I loved the website last year. I loved how interactive it was that you signed in with your atproto handle and even the follow-up. You know, we had the VOD jam that Eli sponsored after the conference last year, and then those got integrated back into the website. So if you’re missing some of the talks from last year, don’t worry. Those are all preserved and ready to go. So super excited to see what’s coming. And also one of my favorite features that that came up last year was like there was a real flurry of excitement right before the conference. People were building all their apps. I gotta get this thing done. I gotta get shipped there was unme.

at, which was a big favorite from the crowd there. And so really excited to see what people come up with. If you haven’t started planning your Atmosphere Conf app yet, then by all means, this is now’s time to get started.

Boris Mann: I’d love to ask you two, Jim and Alex, kind of what you’re thinking about for themes. We’re very open for that right net right now, announcing that the Bluesky is in fact supporting the conference again. So we really appreciate that. We’ll have you know some dedicated discussions about that when we have that ready to announce. Really appreciate you two and the rest of the team as partners and supporters We keep getting bigger every year and so I think we’ll also see lots of new faces coming through. What themes do you guys want to see.

Alex Garnett: Oh my goodness. Well, I mean, Spaces is gonna be shipping in hopefully November as a final spec, and we are really gonna be pushing on spaces, use cases, spaces development, spaces, spaces, spaces for community use, for anything you can think of to do on the atmosphere that you couldn’t do before this year. So I expect we’re going to be making a huge developer push for spaces use cases through new workshops. through featuring new community apps and seeing what’s sticky in that space.

Jim Ray: 100% agree on that one. Really just pumped to see all the different spaces use cases. Obviously, we’re going to be building some stuff into the Bluesky app as well and kind of focusing on interoperability across the atmosphere in the app. So some fun things coming to the official Bluesky app too. One thing that I want to continue to focus on, we had a little bit of this last year at the conference, more about building real businesses, building sustainability. And so, you know, we’re gonna bring some fan favorites about that. I’ve actually got a couple of episodes of the podcast coming up where we’re talking to some folks about that one as well. So we want to make some space to have those discussions as well.

Boris Mann: that’s maybe a good segue so there’s another change in the conference this year. We started using a fiscal host RAF Foundation in the US. And that was the entity that has put on the last two. Myself, Nick, and Ted as the three project leads on that. We have outgrown that structure in lots of ways. It’s been fantastic and I can’t say enough good things about RAF Foundation if you’re a smaller regional anywhere in the world. Definitely hit up Rath Dot Foundation if you if you need a fiscal host as a start. But it’s basically, you know, we’ve slowly been talking about it that a small group is putting together an atmosphere community cooperative. Basically, this is gonna be the next evolution of structure and governance the cooperative structure for those that aren’t familiar with it and we’ll be sharing lots more about that.

At its base is one member, one vote. We hope that everyone who cares about growing the atmosphere and basically good internet stuffs will join and participate, and that’ll be open to both individuals and organizations and so that’s this huge thing that we’re doing and putting that together and we’ll invite everyone in. It’ll go slow because designing governance takes a while. Aaron Kassane is starting basically a research group to work on that and lots more things coming out. It’s not just gonna be investment pitches for businesses, like you said, in terms of sustainability. Oh, here’s these other structures and where are they in the world and how do they fit together and how do we kind of continue to work together both as individuals and then sort of entities around the world in different ways.

Jim Ray: This is huge news. I know that everybody is here for the when and the where and can I can I wear my tiara. But this is this is massive news. And I think Boris, in your usual self-effacing way, you’ve maybe downplayed how actually enormous this is. This is something I know you’ve been working on for a long time in various ways. And but the official structure came together this summer and you’ve pulled in some folks some names that folks will recognize to kind of help figure this out. But I also love the idea of presenting this not just as, hey, we’re like creating another startup, but like really thinking differently about how businesses can be built and maybe even things that are like business shaped but kind of take on some different structure and things like that.

You want to talk a little bit about maybe kind of the history? Because you’ve actually been involved in governance questions for pretty much as long as this atproto thing’s been kicking around and you’re you were one of the first people that I reached out to and you’ve been kind of this little sometimes angel, sometimes devil on my shoulder would when I think about things about, oh, you know, there’s gonna be a governance question about this. And I’m often thinking, you know, like is Boris going to yell at me about this? Or what kind of questions are we going to get? And so making this a bit more official, I think, is great.

Boris Mann: I thought we could skate by with sort of individual organizations collaborating together w which obviously is happening as well but ultimately really Aaron Cassane’s talk on legibility and vernacular institutions at the very first Atmosphere Conference Seattle that gave me a lot of like things with the vocabulary to work around and ultimately what kept happening is that like literally at the AT Community Fund, the label that we slap on the top, people would be like, hey, can you like support our conference Can the atmosphere support our conference? Can atproto essentially sort of a can I speak to the manager? And I’m like, no, because we don’t speak for the community. Or the protocol and you know the protocol going to the IETF is like go over there if you want to, you know, have that long-term stability of that.

And so ultimately the challenge was do we just keep sending out mock together goose mascots and say, yes, the goose likes your conference and so really needing to evolve the governance and everything else and saying like okay, you know, single software foundation. I’ve had experiences with that before, but this ecosystem needs to be multipolar, it needs to be global. And so what is a structure that can’t just be finger pointing at like the foundation is doing things right or wrong and it’s like no it’s a platform, a home. We have some collective resources and figure out what’s load bearing and make sure that as a community we kind of sustain that. Co-op structure became the next most obvious thing.

Which again, ideally with this would this be sort of platform in the sense of, well, if people need help creating other things. this is something that it can like help along with and have very much a structure where you know people have said they’re like, I want to I want to put together an atmosphere swag store. One, I don’t like the acronym that turns into, but that’s a we’ll go on from that. And great, would you like to be one of the leads of the swag store? circle. Ms. Boba’s been super helpful and is involved with her experience in sociocracy. We need to be careful that some of this isn’t like organizational dungeons and dragons, but basically go like, yeah.

There’s a couple of leads, people can volunteer. There are some resources. And how do we form together, right? More of a platform for collaboration. And so lots more on that. Lots of people are like, I know bits and pieces of this, and we apologize. Both governance and comms and getting things right and dotting I’s and crossing T’s takes time. But we’ll do kind of a more formal thing and have everyone informed on that. So we have a couple of entities and projects that we’re all doing in parallel right now.

Guido Jansen: And it this is gonna be one of those things that in a couple of years we all feel oh yeah that’s just that’s just there. That’s just how we make things and do things in the atmosphere. But it’s really hard to I mean it’s really hard to set up. I mean I’ve been involved with the setting up the Magento Association. It took like one and a half, two years with help of a professional company to set this up. So boars doing this in the speed running this and also not a default way of doing this so it’s really impressive.

Boris Mann: i wanna basically caution everyone this is this is a I’m doing some things but a lot of this is V0.1, Chad Kolok, who could who’s also helping out is gonna be doing a lot of that. Aaron taking on governance. This will be your opportunity to actually help co-design it. with things, right? And ideally at the conference in person we’ll do we’ll do lots more. I want to actually turn to a more Problematic note with you, Jim.

Jim Ray: Oh, bring it on. I’ve been told I need to get a little spicier on the on the live streams. So.

Boris Mann: Branding. Branding.

Jim Ray: Yeah.

Boris Mann: So the atmosphere conference.

Jim Ray: Yeah.

Boris Mann: I understand that that you sometimes refer to it by a couple of different names.

Jim Ray: I have often referred to the conference as atmoco, atMOco — the pronunciation is a little is a little bit variable. It was kind of part of my brand in the early days.

Boris Mann: How do you feel about it? How do you pronounce this other phrase. Could you could you give it a try for the for the audience?

Alex Garnett: Weekend at MoCo’s.

Jim Ray: Oh, there we go.

Boris Mann: Okay. Yep. But I actually have a bit of a treat for you, Jim.

Jim Ray: Oh yes. Right.

Boris Mann: strong IP around certain aspects that we need to protect on behalf of the community. Goose, we love goose remixing and everything else like that. But we actually do have a CFP portal up. It’s not ready, it’s not open yet. Ms. Boba and Guido are gonna be involved with that. We have a few track leads that we’ve recruited. But I’m happy to announce that the slug that I can’t change without deleting the entire event in the conference is in fact at MoCo 2027. So thank you, Jim.

Jim Ray: And here I thought we were going to have to retire it. So I’m glad that it’s going to live on. That’s that that it honestly makes me so happy to hear that that that’s where we’re going. So and the atmoco. lol account has a new reason to live.

Alex Garnett: I think I’ve got someone in the chat here saying Loco Moco or Let’s Get Atmo Loco. That is a pretty good after party name. It’s not, you know, like I think we just have to use it.

Jim Ray: Yeah. Let’s get Atmo Loco. No, that’s delightful. Thanks so much, Boris. That’s I really do appreciate that. Guido, tell us a little bit about your city and what we can expect. from Amsterdam. You know, people who’ve never been there before may not realize just what an absolutely beautiful city it is. It’s very navigable, I think famous for the ability to ride bikes and things like that. People might have other impressions about Amsterdam, but I like it remains one of my favorite all-time places. So what do we have to look forward to? in this beautiful northern European city, which will be in full bloom in spring there, right?

Guido Jansen: So there’s gonna be the spring, the tulips, there’s gonna be canals, there’s gonna be Bicycles for sure. Be careful for those. If you’re not if you’re not driving them, you become a target. And one thing that’s really good to know for this conference. So our conference starts on the 29th. On the twenty-seventh is a Dutch national holiday. It’s the national holiday of the Netherlands. It’s King’s Day where everything is orange. And I’m not exaggerating everything, everyone is orange. So it’s up to you if you want to participate in that. So if you come a couple days early, be prepared. It’s gonna be extremely busy.

Jim Ray: Okay.

Guido Jansen: It’s gonna be very fun and very enjoyable. There’s gonna be a lot of parties, but just be prepared. If I mean if you if you come to explore the city in peace do not do this on the 27th, please.

Jim Ray: Okay.

Alex Garnett: All right.

Guido Jansen: And on the on that note, so we’re also looking for hotels. I mean peak is peak season is on the on the 27th itself so on the twenty ninth to the to the second hotel prices are back to normal again. But we’re also looking to secure some well deals or figure out with hotels to make sure that we’re paying reasonable prices for the for the people attending so that’s something to that we were gonna make sure of as well and by the way, so and also on the on the on the hallway tracks, what I’d love to see is to create some spaces for the community to create. I’ll already thinking about things like maybe have a have a podcast booth for you Jim to share with other people.

I have that there are a couple of days where people can record and maybe stream as well and create content live. We’d love to hear your thoughts so send me your DMs or IDs, crazy IDs for the conferences. We still have time to make some of these happen with your help of course. We cannot execute everything you wish for. But with your help together we can make a lot of fun stuff. Happen. And also yeah the Avley parties for sure already have a couple of really nice locations in mind and for the side events as well if you have ideas for that probably gonna have ad science again if we can make that work this year.

It was a great success last year. So these are things that we definitely want to want to continue. Yeah.

Ms. Boba: We would love to have a really great hybrid experience this year, which goes into the website too. But that is something we’ve been thinking about and we could really use some people that have experience attending up or some conferences that are not just in person and especially organizing if you know someone wants to donate the to the cause of global connection no matter where you are. But yeah that is an aspect that we would we hope atproto apps can actually help with and be part of too. But it would be really great if we could get that going and make it amazing.

Boris Mann: Let’s turn that into an action, which is literally any ideas that you have. Hello at atmosphereconf.org is live partially atproto-powered don’t ask it just is a slippery slope where of course you log into a shared inbox with your Apro account because that’s how we roll. And very specifically, as Ms. Boba said, we would love a hybrid lead, volunteer, and lots of things to go in that direction. And anything else, you know, we’ve been quietly reaching out to a couple of people and asking people about track leads. And we’ll do a mix of curated and open CFP. Like last year, we really tried to fit everyone in. Que no just kind of dropped like Oh yeah, also Ad Science.

So Ronan from the Ad Science team just actually let me know this morning that Ad Science with the special guests that will that will do an announcement have said that they want to coordinate as a side event and they’re like, Can we please have room for a hundred and fifty to two hundred people? And kind of went hey Emma at Moat, y you know that extra theater that the venue said that they had were gonna probably need that too. But that’s exactly it. We’ve kind of blocked up these four days. We’ve heard from Europeans in particular. They’re like if it’s a work thing, I want it to be during the week. And we’ve heard from enthusiasts that they’re like, it’s really helpful if it’s on the weekend.

So we still have to kind of like figure out what the days will be and a few other things like that. I did hear from folks la I keep saying last year, earlier this year, who were like, oh, conference, you know, workshops are usually lame, but this was awesome. So need everyone’s help to be like, yeah, you’re probably gonna want to come for all days, for all four days. And yeah, if you have the time, you may want to come a little early. and go to King’s Day. I have heard from people who are sort of like circling their calendar and so on, which is amazing because that’s what it is. We’re coming together with a big group of people and also sharing the new experience of what Atmosphere Comp is, which is evolving and we want everybody’s help with that.

We have aspirations. that we might grow to be something the size of RightsCon or Mozfest. And I say those things in particular because those are truly global conferences, not just North America and Western Europe. We can’t fully pull that off this year. That also is funding and support and visa timelines. to help support people from around the world to come. We’re going to do some of that. We will have a travel support program again this year. Don’t feel blocked by just purely that. We also think many, many more people can come who are closer to continental Europe by just hopping on a plane or a train that is like relatively close to everyone.

Jim Ray: I that’s really great to hear. I love this idea of expanding into a more global conference. A little bit of chatter on that online, but any hints about some particular European flavors that we might be able to expect? Last year’s conference was obviously in Vancouver, the year before that was in Seattle. So the move to Europe is a it’s a pretty big move, obviously, physically, but also Spiritually. And there have been a lot of big things happening in Europe on the protocol since the last Atmosphere Conf. And so any ideas about what a slightly more European accented AtmosphereConf might look like.

Guido Jansen: Yeah, so I mean it very much depends on what people also want to see and what the CFPs will hold, of course. We have a couple of ideas of tracks and themes as well as well. For us things that play a big role in the in the EU right now. I mean it’s tax sovereignty is a is a big thing here. It’s what a lot of governments are talking about, what the EU is talking about, companies are talking about it. And of course Ed proto is a is a great example of how to make that happen. So we all need to figure out a way to also get heard within Europe that we are a great solution for that and spread the words.

I mean just yesterday did they relaunch this the Dutch Facebook alternative was really big like they started like 22 years ago became really big. We were one of those countries that took a really long time for Facebook to conquer because of that really that local experience that we had. And they revived it, but it’s all the same thing all over again where it’s just a proprietary, it’s one company. I if they say oh yeah it’s without an algorithm, sure, until you have next quarter’s meeting where the where the where the results are going down, then the algorithms might change. So it’s still there’s a lot of education that we still need to do here. So that’s also something the I hope we can give the tools to people joining the conference to also spread that around in their local communities as well and so I’ve been also working on rallying up the EU community, the local communities in different countries to get them organized and get them to rally around this topic, organize meetups.

and build up to the events and then hopefully everyone can go back to their countries fully in inspired and to spread the to spread the virus even if it’s if even if it’s just general open social web, right? The whole mindset behind it doesn’t even necessarily always have to be atproto. Depends on the challenge. But it’s really important that we make sure that those people that make decisions to revive local social media to do it in a proper way and also beyond social media but this that’s just an example but yeah that’s important that we do that at the event as well so those that’s definitely a topic that I expect to be important. Yeah.

Boris Mann: We’re talking to Model Foundation, which is the actual entity behind Eurosky. They are literally a Dutch foundation. So great example of how ideally that will be something that we partner with the co-op and really put them and what they’re doing with Eurosky front and center, still talking about exactly what we can do there. You know, we really want to support people kicking things off by thinking all the way back to how the first regional group ended up being in Seattle that literally met every week after the first conference and have that similar sort of inspiration. Guido’s doing lots of things with kicking off some like country centric things around the EU. And yeah, by that time we’ll have spaces and perhaps our globe that’s spinning on the front page of atmosphere.

community can have lots of other pins spinning up on the on the kind of like map of Europe and have people come together and learn and so on.

Jim Ray: I love this. And lots of excitement in the chat. I see that Eve Osman and Anna from Germ are planning on a group clogs order, so we’ll see what that looks like. Could be a little bit loud on the hallway track. Everybody’s got clogs.

Guido Jansen: Yeah, I once wore clogs to a conference and I couldn’t walk I couldn’t walk the week after. So be very careful when doing that. Just or I don’t know practice beforehand. I don’t know.

Alex Garnett: Yeah, if you’re there for a whole week, Arch support is very important.

Jim Ray: Brilliant. I cannot thank y’all enough.

Guido Jansen: Definitely for all the content for today the announcements. We published a leaflet post for all to see so that definitely contains all the links that’s if you if you miss those that will be out there for sure the rsvp atmosphereconf.org you can you can make that happen today for the CFP that will be coming up. So we’ll we will we’ll announce that. Just follow the channels RSVP and we will notify you of any important things that that happen there. And watch for the tickets. It’s gonna be like mid-October, I think, Boris. And yeah, save up on the orange gear, I would say.

Jim Ray: Ms. Bobo, what was that website address again?

Ms. Boba: It’s atmosphereconf.org.

Jim Ray: Atmosphereconf. org.

Ms. Boba: Oh, and if you have an app, feel free to come and submit a theme. Like put up your color, decorate the goose. There’s been some really nice decorations coming up. But yeah, like come really make it fun and show that the diversity of this protocol and that we like to have fun, which I think is really something that I think atproto can bring back to the web and our spaces. So yeah, that’s also what we want the website to represent and show.

Boris Mann: Great. Note to anyone, lead with joy is the short form of some of that that we kind of try and do internally. And I will give you a tidbit that we have Somewhere around 280 subscribers on the leaflet from very few and 80 of them are on email. So just showing you the balance of people who are using email versus just the standard.site subscription thank you all for being at ProtoSicos. Let’s see if we can infect some more and see you soon in Amsterdam.

Jim Ray: Cannot wait. Thank you all again so much. We’ll see you in Amsterdam, if not sooner.

Guido Jansen: Awesome. See you there.

Jim Ray: Thanks, y’all.

Boris Mann: Thanks, guys. Thank you.

Ms. Boba: all.

Boris Mann: That was great.